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		<title>By: Ryuuga</title>
		<link>http://nk-ds.org/2009/06/nana-anison-and-mainstream/comment-page-1/#comment-1547</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryuuga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May i say a few words here.

Nana breaking into mainstream to me, its like a Angel providing light to the anison world. Like Julius said Aniki tried for 40 years and failed, JAM Project, despite their age, sings as well as some young singer and Hirano Aya jus failed( I think her songs are kind of crazy...).

Its either Hell or Heaven to me tough. If she succeed, everyone in the anison world will be proud of her. No matter who singer-seiyuu or plain singer will be. She might be honour as a new light to the anison world. If she fails, i would still support her no matter wad since shes wad motivated to achieve my goals. But wad abt in Japan?! I duno abt wad the Otakus will be thinking there its like &quot; U tried to betray us by going mainstream. Now u fail and wanna come back?! FUCK OFF!&quot; If tts the case, all is gone. Its 50/50.

I can see Anison singer sings as well as mainstream and even better. Can some 40+ year old guy scream like Kageyama?! I doubt so. Can some guy get the crowd Hot-blooded?! I doubt so too. So i don think they should be treated as 2nd class singers.</description>
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<p>Nana breaking into mainstream to me, its like a Angel providing light to the anison world. Like Julius said Aniki tried for 40 years and failed, JAM Project, despite their age, sings as well as some young singer and Hirano Aya jus failed( I think her songs are kind of crazy&#8230;).</p>
<p>Its either Hell or Heaven to me tough. If she succeed, everyone in the anison world will be proud of her. No matter who singer-seiyuu or plain singer will be. She might be honour as a new light to the anison world. If she fails, i would still support her no matter wad since shes wad motivated to achieve my goals. But wad abt in Japan?! I duno abt wad the Otakus will be thinking there its like &#8221; U tried to betray us by going mainstream. Now u fail and wanna come back?! FUCK OFF!&#8221; If tts the case, all is gone. Its 50/50.</p>
<p>I can see Anison singer sings as well as mainstream and even better. Can some 40+ year old guy scream like Kageyama?! I doubt so. Can some guy get the crowd Hot-blooded?! I doubt so too. So i don think they should be treated as 2nd class singers.</p>
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		<title>By: V</title>
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		<dc:creator>V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lss: True, but those mainstream singers have had their songs featured in the big shonen series like Naruto/Bleach/DGM, etc. So far, the most mainstream anime that Nana-san has sung an OP or ED for is Basilisk. (And by mainstream I mean easily accessible series, not those filled with fanservice or moe lolis.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lss: True, but those mainstream singers have had their songs featured in the big shonen series like Naruto/Bleach/DGM, etc. So far, the most mainstream anime that Nana-san has sung an OP or ED for is Basilisk. (And by mainstream I mean easily accessible series, not those filled with fanservice or moe lolis.)</p>
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		<title>By: Lss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 06:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Humm looking at this from the opposite pov, how many mainstream singers became popular because their songs were featured in anime? Cant be little right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Humm looking at this from the opposite pov, how many mainstream singers became popular because their songs were featured in anime? Cant be little right.</p>
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		<title>By: sentinel011</title>
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		<dc:creator>sentinel011</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 04:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@double

Actually, K-On is considered mainstream anime to most people. I&#039;ve asked some of my non-otaku Japanese friends, and also some students from previous baito sessions. 

So it&#039;s not that surprising that K-On&#039;s single sales hit #1 and #2.</description>
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<p>Actually, K-On is considered mainstream anime to most people. I&#8217;ve asked some of my non-otaku Japanese friends, and also some students from previous baito sessions. </p>
<p>So it&#8217;s not that surprising that K-On&#8217;s single sales hit #1 and #2.</p>
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		<title>By: Julius_Firefocht</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julius_Firefocht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 14:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Double

Sales is sales, no matter the source. Sales departments will not see the difference between 7 people who each bought a copy of an album and a person who bought 7 copies of the same album by himself. All they are going to see is &quot;BIG MONEY COMING IN YEAH&quot;.</description>
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<p>Sales is sales, no matter the source. Sales departments will not see the difference between 7 people who each bought a copy of an album and a person who bought 7 copies of the same album by himself. All they are going to see is &#8220;BIG MONEY COMING IN YEAH&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: V</title>
		<link>http://nk-ds.org/2009/06/nana-anison-and-mainstream/comment-page-1/#comment-1527</link>
		<dc:creator>V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 04:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just have to say that I agree with you.

Image-wise, it&#039;s just a shame that her concert outfits are sometimes quite questionable, because looking at all the backstage and making-of videos, she CAN dress very well and has a good sense of style.

@&lt;b&gt;LilaChan&lt;/b&gt;: Apparently, Nana-chan said that her &#039;style&#039; was having lots of different styles. This probably contributed to Ultimate Diamond&#039;s mish-mash of songs. 
Also, I think that us Nana-fans have been spoilt to the album because even before the release, we had already played Trickster/DitVM/Shin Ai/Astrogation repeatedly. And as fans, most of us also eagerly waited for the radio rips of the song previews. So compared to those who aren&#039;t such huge fans, or those who just picked up the album on a whim, we already had a strong opinion of the album. 
But for those non-fans who bought Ultimate Diamond thanks to the attention, I think they would be going &quot;WOW&quot; over the versatility of Nana&#039;s vocal prowess, and seek out of more Nana&#039;s songs.

Nana has always been the frontrunner for breaking all seiyuu-singer related records. This is just another step forward for her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just have to say that I agree with you.</p>
<p>Image-wise, it&#8217;s just a shame that her concert outfits are sometimes quite questionable, because looking at all the backstage and making-of videos, she CAN dress very well and has a good sense of style.</p>
<p>@<b>LilaChan</b>: Apparently, Nana-chan said that her &#8217;style&#8217; was having lots of different styles. This probably contributed to Ultimate Diamond&#8217;s mish-mash of songs.<br />
Also, I think that us Nana-fans have been spoilt to the album because even before the release, we had already played Trickster/DitVM/Shin Ai/Astrogation repeatedly. And as fans, most of us also eagerly waited for the radio rips of the song previews. So compared to those who aren&#8217;t such huge fans, or those who just picked up the album on a whim, we already had a strong opinion of the album.<br />
But for those non-fans who bought Ultimate Diamond thanks to the attention, I think they would be going &#8220;WOW&#8221; over the versatility of Nana&#8217;s vocal prowess, and seek out of more Nana&#8217;s songs.</p>
<p>Nana has always been the frontrunner for breaking all seiyuu-singer related records. This is just another step forward for her.</p>
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		<title>By: LilaChan</title>
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		<dc:creator>LilaChan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Character singles are supported the army of Otakus. Even Hetalia character single/drama CD got 9th on the weekly oricon charts, which relied on fujoshis then male-otakus, which is a weaker buying audience. Alot of otakus are less logical (I think at least) when supporting their hobby compared normal people buying a music CD. Economy went down, otaku buying powers stay the same or even INCREASED, meaning alot of anison related CDs would be higher on the charts. Hare Hare Yukai did 38k in its first week, Don&#039;t Say Lazy did 66k. 

Nana&#039;s newest album would still have Nanatards buying multiple copies to get different specials from stores, but I can&#039;t imagine it having as much muliple copies buyers compared to K-on or something. I&#039;m thinking one of the reason that the sales went down so much, alot of major stores ran out of stock. One of the good and bad thing of this album is the different genre of songs it has on it. I find that alot of albums have only one or two genre, I don&#039;t even know what genre is MARIA &amp; JOKER. Nana is desperately trying not to alienate her otawotas, yet trying different genre. You get one song that sounds like old skool Nana, like Shounen. Chinmoku no Kajitsu sounds like her slightly more recent Elements Garden. Mr. Bunny is like a cute-moe-ish anison. As seperate songs, they sound fine. But as a whole album, it feels a little odd. 

Nana still wears her ...questionable clothes to music shows.  She would still love her curry. She&#039;s still our good o&#039; Nana-chan

I feel that the normal audience in japan think anisons are not-so-pretty-looking-seiyuu-idol-doing-a-high-pitch-voice-and-singing.Yukarin probally falls into this...BUT most of them wouldn&#039;t realise that Yukarin can sing her songs live pretty much the same as the CD version. This sounds a little weird, but when I was watching the chinese channel the other day. They were saying Theresa Fu (she is famous for being the worst out-of-tune singer but always pretend to be a japanese idol Canto-pop singer) has made very male-hikkikomori and Train man fainted. I was like &#039;WTF....we (I&#039;m a girl btw) don&#039;t like useless singers who looks pretty but can&#039;t sing a single word in tune&#039;. Even Train man would have been a Nanatard, right?....All big anison singers can sing well live. Jam Project and Nana are the best examples. That&#039;s why I think Anison is seen as 2nd rated, the image for it is bad.

Nana has a job of making the image of anison better while trying to break into mainstream.  In music japan they really stress how she&#039;s a seiyuu, I think that would at least make some people go &#039;I never knew seiyuus can sing so well&#039; or &#039;Is that live or CD? WTF it&#039;s live?!&#039; .  Nana has a good background, her parents were singing teachers. She did enka when she was young. She isn&#039;t overly moe or act cute, she ACTS her age. (Eternally 7 year old Yukarin is fine too &lt;3) Nana honestly feels like a normal singer to me, but with a seiyuu side job. 

I don&#039;t think anyone been in Nana&#039;s shoes before. Hirano Aya was just...erm....lost direction on where her fans was when her fanbase wasn&#039;t even that large.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Character singles are supported the army of Otakus. Even Hetalia character single/drama CD got 9th on the weekly oricon charts, which relied on fujoshis then male-otakus, which is a weaker buying audience. Alot of otakus are less logical (I think at least) when supporting their hobby compared normal people buying a music CD. Economy went down, otaku buying powers stay the same or even INCREASED, meaning alot of anison related CDs would be higher on the charts. Hare Hare Yukai did 38k in its first week, Don&#8217;t Say Lazy did 66k. </p>
<p>Nana&#8217;s newest album would still have Nanatards buying multiple copies to get different specials from stores, but I can&#8217;t imagine it having as much muliple copies buyers compared to K-on or something. I&#8217;m thinking one of the reason that the sales went down so much, alot of major stores ran out of stock. One of the good and bad thing of this album is the different genre of songs it has on it. I find that alot of albums have only one or two genre, I don&#8217;t even know what genre is MARIA &amp; JOKER. Nana is desperately trying not to alienate her otawotas, yet trying different genre. You get one song that sounds like old skool Nana, like Shounen. Chinmoku no Kajitsu sounds like her slightly more recent Elements Garden. Mr. Bunny is like a cute-moe-ish anison. As seperate songs, they sound fine. But as a whole album, it feels a little odd. </p>
<p>Nana still wears her &#8230;questionable clothes to music shows.  She would still love her curry. She&#8217;s still our good o&#8217; Nana-chan</p>
<p>I feel that the normal audience in japan think anisons are not-so-pretty-looking-seiyuu-idol-doing-a-high-pitch-voice-and-singing.Yukarin probally falls into this&#8230;BUT most of them wouldn&#8217;t realise that Yukarin can sing her songs live pretty much the same as the CD version. This sounds a little weird, but when I was watching the chinese channel the other day. They were saying Theresa Fu (she is famous for being the worst out-of-tune singer but always pretend to be a japanese idol Canto-pop singer) has made very male-hikkikomori and Train man fainted. I was like &#8216;WTF&#8230;.we (I&#8217;m a girl btw) don&#8217;t like useless singers who looks pretty but can&#8217;t sing a single word in tune&#8217;. Even Train man would have been a Nanatard, right?&#8230;.All big anison singers can sing well live. Jam Project and Nana are the best examples. That&#8217;s why I think Anison is seen as 2nd rated, the image for it is bad.</p>
<p>Nana has a job of making the image of anison better while trying to break into mainstream.  In music japan they really stress how she&#8217;s a seiyuu, I think that would at least make some people go &#8216;I never knew seiyuus can sing so well&#8217; or &#8216;Is that live or CD? WTF it&#8217;s live?!&#8217; .  Nana has a good background, her parents were singing teachers. She did enka when she was young. She isn&#8217;t overly moe or act cute, she ACTS her age. (Eternally 7 year old Yukarin is fine too &lt;3) Nana honestly feels like a normal singer to me, but with a seiyuu side job. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone been in Nana&#8217;s shoes before. Hirano Aya was just&#8230;erm&#8230;.lost direction on where her fans was when her fanbase wasn&#8217;t even that large.</p>
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		<title>By: double</title>
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		<dc:creator>double</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 19:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the K-ON! singles, I&#039;m pretty sure that they got to the top of the Oricon charts due to otakus mass buying multiple copies. I wouldn&#039;t know if it&#039;s the same for Nana&#039;s latest album, but you really got to take this factor into issue when you compare anisong artistes against normal Japanese artistes that are targeted towards the mainstream crowd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the K-ON! singles, I&#8217;m pretty sure that they got to the top of the Oricon charts due to otakus mass buying multiple copies. I wouldn&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s the same for Nana&#8217;s latest album, but you really got to take this factor into issue when you compare anisong artistes against normal Japanese artistes that are targeted towards the mainstream crowd.</p>
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